Jacob Appelbaum Um, so you guys are actually in a sense the canaries in the coal mine. Right, because the incentives are all lined up against you. Anybody see on the subway, "Link your MetroCard to your debit card," right? Like, auto-refill? This is a concept which is key to everything we'll talk about today. And it's called linkability:
Ladar Levison I believe in the need to conduct investigations. But those investigations are supposed to be difficult for a reason. It's supposed to be difficult to invade somebody's privacy.Because of how intrusive it is. Because of how disruptive it is. If we can't... if we don't have our right to privacy, how do we have a free and open discussion?